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it's all about baale when it comes to
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the now Infamous Alexander Brothers will
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The prominent trio accused of sex
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trafficking and sexually assaulting
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women for years be granted pre-trial
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release we're going to break down the
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arguments from both sides including the
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latest points from prosecutors in a
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filing that reveals so much about the
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case welcome to sidebar presented by law
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on crime I'm Jesse
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Weber our coverage continues surrounding
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the Alexander Brothers Alan Orin and T
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these wealthy and influential figures in
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the real estate and private security
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industries who are now facing some very
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serious charges sex crimes charges at
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both a federal and state level and now
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one of the latest filings from
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prosecutors Federal prosecutors to be
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more specific this letter to New York
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District Court Judge Valerie e caproni
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not only provides a great snapshot of
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the federal case the potential evidence
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the charges but it lays out a
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comprehensive argument for why these
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alleged sex traffickers should not be
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granted bail not be granted pre-trial
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release so if you're not totally
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familiar with this case that has been
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making headlines for the past month or
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so the filing we're about to break down
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is a really good summation of what has
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happened and what we're talking about so
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what are we talking about well first the
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federal case what are the federal
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charges while we have these three
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brothers that have been charged with
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participating in a sex trafficking
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conspiracy from at least 2010 through at
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least 2021 and furthermore tal has been
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charged with sex trafficking of someone
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identified as victim one through means
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of force fraud and coercion back in 2011
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so that's another count in this
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indictment but the third count tal is
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also charged alongside his brothers Orin
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and Alan with sex trafficking of another
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alleged victim identified as victim to
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by force fraud or coercion and This
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concerns back to events in 2016 now as
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described in the indictment it reads the
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defendants work together and with others
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to repeatedly and violently drug
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sexually assault and rape dozens of
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victims and that they quote arranged for
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these sexual assaults using the promise
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of luxury experiences travel and
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accommodations to lure and entice women
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to locations where they were then
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forcibly raped or sexually assaulted and
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that they would often drug the alleged
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victims too so when we're talking sex
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trafficking it's basically using illegal
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and transporting or recruiting or
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harboring or enticing women here for the
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purposes of commercial sex acts meaning
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sex acts that are done in exchange for
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something of value doesn't always have
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to be money could be attending events
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could be travel could be gifts could be
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reputational benefits something like
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that Financial benefits now violence
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deception drugging those can be key
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components of the sexual events as well
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but for purposes of the bail analysis
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and also kind of as a preview of maybe
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what we can expect at a trial as
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prosecutors explain in this bail letter
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to judge caprion which is again what
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we're going to be focusing on this case
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according to them is much more broad
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quote evidence from the government's
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investigation goes well beyond the
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conduct charge and shows that the
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Alexander Brothers have together and
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alone repeatedly and violently raped and
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sexually assaulted dozens of victims
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dating back for nearly 20 years to date
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law enforcement agents have interviewed
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over 40 women who reported being
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forcibly raped or sexually assaulted by
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at least one of the Alexander Brothers
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the rapes and sexual assaults described
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by victims were committed between
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approximately 2002 or 2003 and 2021 in
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the victim's accounts to date each
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defendant has separately been accused of
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forcible rape by at least 10 women and
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by the way Orin and Alan who are twins
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they also face State sexual battery
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charges out in Miami two now this is in
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connection with three separate alleged
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incidents and Orin faces charges in all
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three Alan faces charges in one by the
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sidebar but going back to the federal
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case that's going to be our Focus this
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was really interesting because
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prosecutors explain in the letter that
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since the indictment Federal authorities
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have allegedly found more evidence
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against the brothers quote the
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government has induced even more
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evidence of the defendants criminal acts
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honor about December 11th 2024 law
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enforcement agents executed a warrant to
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search an apartment in New York City
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leased by tal Alexander during the
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search law enforcement agents seized
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numerous photos and videos depicting at
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least Orin Alan and several third
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parties recording or photographing
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themselves with women in states of
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intoxication and undress in multiple
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videos the women appear initially
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unaware that they were being recorded
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and became upset and attempted to hide
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or flee from the camera after realizing
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they were being filmed in one video the
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camera peaked over a bathroom stall were
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a woman and a man who is not one of the
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defendants are engaging in Intercourse
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when the woman looked up and saw the
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camera she hly began to get up saying no
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and stating in summon substance that she
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does not want all of friends multiple
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other videos found in tal Alexander's
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apartment depict Alan Orin and other men
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engaged in sexual contact with women who
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were visibly under the influence of
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alcohol or other substances in some
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instances at least one defendant and
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another man physically manipulated the
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women's bodies in order to have sex with
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them while the women did not actively
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participate in the sexual activity or
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turned away in combination with the fact
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set forth in the detention letter this
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evidence underscores the depraved nature
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of the defendant's conduct and the
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immense danger they present so it's one
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thing to have witness testimony it is
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entirely another thing to have video
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evidence now I imagine defense attorneys
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here will work hard to have this
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evidence excluded from trial perhaps
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suggesting it is prejudicial perhaps
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suggesting that it's not really evidence
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of sex trafficking per se that maybe it
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more addresses State sexual assault
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charges not federal sex trafficking
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crimes actually keep that in mind for a
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minute we're going to address that in a
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little bit but they may also argue look
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these videos shouldn't come into
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evidence perhaps suggesting it was
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obtained by the government illegally and
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we'll see those pre-trial battles come
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but on its face yeah that's not great
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for defense attorneys those videos or
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those alleged videos and right now
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prosecutors say that that evidence is
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important for the bail analysis right
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now forget about its influence at an
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upcoming trial that evidence is
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important for the bail analysis because
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here's the history regarding baale in
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this case so the defendants were
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arrested in Florida on December 11th T
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was ordered detained by a Magistrate
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Judge deemed to be a Flight Risk the
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court weighed the evidence the
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significance of the charges and they all
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warranted pre-trial detention another
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judge ordered Alan to be detained after
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a two-day hearing again Flight Risk and
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as for Orin this month he waved his
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right to a removal hearing this is about
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how to get him in front of a judge in
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the southern district of New York where
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this Federal prosecution is occurring so
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he didn't fight to be extradited to New
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York from Florida and also apparently or
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an agreed to detention but apparently he
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wanted to revisit that issue once he was
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in front of the southern district of New
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York judge and in fact he submitted a
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letter last week to the judge overseeing
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this case in New York judge caproni and
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in this letter he is opposing pre-trial
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detention I'll break it down for you
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real quick his lawyers argued first that
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this case is legally faulty that this
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seeks to convert years old and recently
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alleged claims of social context sexual
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misconduct into a commercial sex act for
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purposes of sex trafficking but Orin
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makes the argument that the government
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didn't allege how he benefited
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financially from this or receive
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something of value he says that these
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allegations are more the jurisdiction of
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State sex crimes charges again like I
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said before that this isn't sex
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trafficking per se Orin defense Council
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writes the government's theory of the
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case is that if someone schedules a date
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pays for that date's Uber ride from New
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Jersey to New York and any
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non-consensual sex subsequently occurs
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that is sex trafficking Orin argues
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that's not sex trafficking it doesn't
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work like that he also fights against
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the conspiracy part of count one in the
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sex trafficking conspiracy charge and
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that he says there was no agreement to
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break the law at a prior hearing he says
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the government alleged that the brothers
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had an explicit agreement to orgy but
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that is not an agreement to do something
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unlawful now these are interesting
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Arguments for sure interesting defenses
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then they may work when it comes to a
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motion to dismiss the charges or maybe
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even at a trial it might be a good
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defense I will say though I am not sure
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it is really an issue in a bail analysis
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we're going to get more into that in a
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minute but I don't know if it really
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applies right now now more specifically
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he addresses issues surrounding
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pre-trial detention because Orin argues
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that this case will require a lot of
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Discovery and if he and his brothers are
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behind bars that is going to make it
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very difficult to prepare for their
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defense we actually saw a similar
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argument in the Shan comes case but it
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didn't work there it wasn't effective
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there the court and prosecutors made
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accommodations for comes to review
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everything on a laptop in jail and to
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speak with his legal team Orin also
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explains that just because he's charged
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with sex trafficking doesn't mean he
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shouldn't be released look at the mic
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jeffy's case we've talked about that
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before former CEO of abian Fitch who was
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hit with Federal sex trafficking charges
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in New York he was granted pre-ra
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release on a $10 million Bond and again
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Orin says he's charged with sex
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trafficking why can't we be released now
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amongst the other arguments that are
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made in this letter Orin also says he
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has no criminal history he has strong
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ties to the Miami Community meaning he
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isn't a Flight Risk and he says if he
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ran his life and his family's life
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including his children's life would be
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permanently ruined now to be clear about
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something the Alexander Brothers have
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all denied any sort of wrongdoing in
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fact attorney Howard shreik spoke to
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WPLG after a hearing on Friday calling
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the accusations baseless saying not one
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of the accusers has testified before the
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grand jury not one of the accusers has
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been subject to cross-examination not
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one of the accusers has been under oath
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before a federal judge to point fingers
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at the defendants to say that they have
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done anything wrong now with all all
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that in mind now I want to get into the
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government's letter that opposes the
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applications for bail made by Alan Orin
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and tal in other words the government is
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asking judge caproni to affirm the
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denial of bell for tal and Alan and to
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deny orin's motion for baale so let's
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talk the law here so baale can be denied
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for a criminal defendant if there is a
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finding of risk of Flight by
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preponderance of the evidence that is a
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lower standard that is much lower than
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let's say proof Beyond a reasonable
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doubt it's more more likely than not is
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what we're talking about more likely
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than not that something is true bail can
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also be denied based on the
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dangerousness of the defendant and that
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actually has to be proven by clear and
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convincing evidence that is a middle
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ground standard that is a higher
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standard than preponderance of the
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evidence and it is lower than proof
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Beyond a reasonable doubt it's a middle
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standard it's saying it's highly
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probable that the contentions are true
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now there are four factors to consider
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in a analysis there is nature and
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circumstances of the charges the amount
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and strength of the evidence against the
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defendant so far the history and
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characteristics of the defendant and
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does the defendant pose a danger to
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those on the outside if released now
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there is a special caveat here because
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we actually saw this in the Shan Colmes
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criminal case but when you are dealing
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with a sex trafficking charge again like
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the Alexander Brothers again like sha
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combms there is a presumption of
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detention is a presumption that can be
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rebutted but it is a presumption of
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detention and it means that no set of
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conditions would be sufficient to assure
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the defendant doesn't flee or assure the
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safety to the community so here the FED
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say the brothers are a Flight Risk and
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they are a danger to the community now
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we want to get into the why so let's
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start with the dangerousness factor the
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government repeats some of the core
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allegations in this case where they say
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for more than a decade the defendants
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work together in a sex trafficking
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conspiracy that used Force fraud and
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coercion to rape and sexually assault
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numerous victims the defendant's danger
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has been demonstrated repeatedly and
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goes well beyond the charge defense
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conduct the Alexander Brothers serial
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sexual violence began far earlier than
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the period of the charge conspiracy the
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government's evidence shows that they
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have been raping girls and women alone
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together and with other men over a
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period of nearly 20 years the government
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has interviewed more than 40 of those
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victims and expects the number to
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continue to grow as the investigation
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continues the Alexander Brothers drugged
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victims rendering them incapable of
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either consenting or resisting then when
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the victims were physically compromised
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or incapacitated the defendants held
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them down and forcibly raped them some
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victims said no or stop others screamed
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but the defendants ignored their
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victim's distress multiple women
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described being terrified that the
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Alexander brothers were going to hurt or
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even kill them these victim's only goal
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in that moment became to survive
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multiple victims were drugged required
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medical assistance in the hospital after
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their encounters with the Alexander
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Brothers in short the defendant's
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conduct was inherently dangerous involve
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numerous victims and makes clear that
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the safety of others and of the
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community cannot possibly be insured
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without the defendant's detention now
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couple of things here not all of those
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allegations will come into this criminal
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trial but as I mentioned there is a
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lower standard when we talk about a bail
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analysis so the government can allege
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more they don't have to prove
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necessarily everything Beyond A
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Reasonable Doubt in order to get
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detention there's a lot more flexibility
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and leeway with what they can present
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now for a bail detention analysis versus
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what they have to present at a trial
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just keep that in mind now from there
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prosecutors address a specific argument
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or defense from the brothers where it's
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hey government you're saying there is a
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clear danger here but there's only two
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counts of sex trafficking in this
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indictment one with respect to victim
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one and the other with respect to victim
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two well prosecutors say in response
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that no way suggest that these brothers
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didn't also engage in a much broader
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pattern of sexual violence again going
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back to the idea of they have a large
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leeway with what to argue in a bail
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analysis and then the prosecutors say
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this and this kind of gives us a preview
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of what to expect at a trial they say
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that they expect not just the victims
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and the Standalone counts to testify
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like victim one or victim two but many
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many more people and they say as a point
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of law that they expect those witnesses
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to testify not only about the overall
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widespread broad sex trafficking
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conspiracy that makes up count one but
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that these witnesses will also testify
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pursuant to rule 404b and 413 so what is
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that so 404b is about evidence of other
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crimes or Acts or wrongs of a defendant
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that can come into evidence a trial now
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it's not to show oh well they did this
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then that must mean they're guilty of
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the crimes that they're charged with
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here in this case no that's not proper
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that's not allowed but that evidence can
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come in to show a plan to show a motive
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to show maybe a pattern so this is a
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pattern and a plan of sexual violence
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413 is more specific and says in sexual
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assault cases at a federal level other
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evidence of sexual assault can maybe
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come in as well so you're kind of
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getting a preview of what a potential
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trial could look like and who may be
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called at the Alexander Brothers federal
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trial now from there prosecutors say
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that all of this testimony in this case
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will be backed up by Witnesses
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electronic evidence physical evidence
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and documentary evidence so what you're
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seeing from the federal prosecutors is
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that there is a strong sense of
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confidence in this case we always say
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the feds don't bring a case unless
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they're fully ready to win that's why
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they have such a high conviction rate
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particularly in the southern district of
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New York and I will also say statements
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like this show that they are quite far
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into their review and investigation into
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this case too which by the way they
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should be obviously they brought the
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but from there let's talk about what the
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prosecution says next the prosecution
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also says that the victim's accounts
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corroborate one another and that's
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important because when you have what
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seems to be the argument here
17:41 - 17:46
independent Witnesses who come forward
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and they say the same kind of thing that
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shows a pattern that shows that they're
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credible it's not like they all came
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together and came up with stories no
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that's very different from what it seems
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prosecutors are saying here now
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prosecutors are also arguing here that
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for the dangerousness factor in a bail
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analysis we are talking Decades of
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alleged violent conduct so not just
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sexual assaults amounting to sex
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trafficking but what they say is quote a
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disregard for Humanity and here's an
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interesting point in the letter to they
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write the defendants arguments that they
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are not dangerous to the community
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because the charge conspiracy ends in
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2021 or because the rapes described by
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the victims to date occurred earlier is
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of little mitigating value when
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considering the scope and duration of
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the defendant's pattern of violence the
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evidence in this case shows that the
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charg sex trafficking conspiracy
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continued at least until 2021 second it
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is similarly unavailing to claim that
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the present lack of more recent assaults
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indicates that the conduct has stopped
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there is no evidence demonstrating that
18:46 - 18:50
the defendants learn the error of their
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ways the fact that video versions of
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trophies of the defendants criminal
18:52 - 18:56
conduct were found in tal Alexander's
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residence as recently as last month also
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suggests that the defendants have not
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close the door on their criminal conduct
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finally a nearly 20-year unbroken
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pattern of violence that targeted scores
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of women that the defendants met in both
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planned and chance encounters is in and
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of itself clear and convincing evidence
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of the continued danger the defendants
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posed to the community that the
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Alexander Brothers sexual violence
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persisted despite several victims
19:20 - 19:23
attempts to report their assaults to
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others demonstrates that the Alexander
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Brothers cannot be trusted to stop their
19:25 - 19:28
violent assaults even in the face of
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criminal charges the evidence
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demonstrates that for decades the
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Alexander Brothers have acted with
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apparent impunity forcibly raping women
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whenever they wanted to do so in short
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the risk of the defendant's continued
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sexual violence and to facilitating the
19:40 - 19:44
sexual violence of each other cannot
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reasonably be prevented through Bale
19:44 - 19:49
conditions and prosecutors highlight
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that so much of this alleged sexual
19:49 - 19:54
violence happened in their apartments in
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their homes in hotel rooms in private
19:54 - 19:59
settings behind closed doors so that was
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all the dangerousness factor now let's
19:59 - 20:03
move on to the risk of flight factor and
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when we talk risk of flight one of the
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major issues is the seriousness of these
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crimes and the serious penalties we are
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talking about a mandatory minimum
20:12 - 20:18
minimum sentence of 15 years in prison
20:15 - 20:22
for counts 2 and three and up to life in
20:18 - 20:24
prison on all the counts in other words
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there is an incentive to run away to
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flee and prosecutors say the brothers
20:27 - 20:31
have an incentive to flee because of the
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reputational damage that a trial would
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have nonetheless even if they're found
20:33 - 20:37
not guilty writing how the brothers
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carefully curated their Public Image and
20:37 - 20:41
reputation in the real estate and
20:39 - 20:44
security industries and that a public
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prosecution and trial will drastically
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affect that that they will flee they
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will not want to subject themselves to
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this the government writes for example
20:50 - 20:53
the government is in possession of
20:51 - 20:56
multiple video recordings created by
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Orin Alexander depicting Orin and Alan
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engaging in sexual activity with at
20:58 - 21:02
least one one identified victim as
21:00 - 21:04
described above additional videos found
21:02 - 21:06
stored on hard drive show the defendants
21:04 - 21:08
and other men engaging in group sexual
21:06 - 21:10
contct with a number of women including
21:08 - 21:12
numerous women who are visibly impaired
21:10 - 21:15
put simply the defendants have every
21:12 - 21:16
incentive to flee to avoid prosecution
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and a public trial putting their
21:16 - 21:20
criminal exploits on display and the
21:19 - 21:23
government also highlights how the
21:20 - 21:25
brothers have strong family ties to the
21:23 - 21:27
nation of Israel how they've traveled
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frequently there there's a risk that
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they can just go there reestablish their
21:30 - 21:35
lives and have no issue and that's
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interesting because we always say oh
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someone can flee but really where would
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they go are they really a Flight Risk
21:38 - 21:42
could they really start a new life
21:40 - 21:44
somewhere else well here prosecutors are
21:42 - 21:46
saying that the brothers could easily
21:44 - 21:48
set up shop in Israel and there would be
21:46 - 21:49
no problem and then maybe not
21:48 - 21:52
surprisingly when it comes to a risk of
21:49 - 21:54
flight analysis the prosecutors
21:52 - 21:56
highlight the brothers vast Financial
21:54 - 21:58
Resources their wealth and I mean they
21:56 - 22:01
say Alan propose that the Alexander
21:58 - 22:03
family can post bond quote in any dollar
22:01 - 22:06
amount so again when we talk about that
22:03 - 22:08
their ability to just run away that's
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important and the prosecutors highlight
22:08 - 22:13
that the brothers can travel by private
22:10 - 22:15
planes by boats and that makes it much
22:13 - 22:17
harder for law enforcement to track the
22:15 - 22:19
brother's movements and the government
22:17 - 22:21
argues that the defendants proposed bail
22:19 - 22:23
package you know their answer to all of
22:21 - 22:25
the government's concerns they say it's
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insufficient so what's the bail package
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well it has three main components I want
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to talk about one is a bond of $115
22:30 - 22:36
million or in any dollar amount two
22:33 - 22:38
private security to monitor the brothers
22:36 - 22:41
movements inside of a luxury condo and
22:38 - 22:43
three the execution of preemptive
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waivers of extradition basically saying
22:43 - 22:47
if you should end up in another state or
22:45 - 22:48
country you're giving up your right to
22:47 - 22:50
an extradition hearing essentially
22:48 - 22:52
you're giving up your right to fight
22:50 - 22:53
extradition back to New York basically
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the brothers are saying don't worry
22:53 - 22:58
government we'll come back no worries
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now why is all of this insufficient in
22:58 - 23:01
the government's view well first of all
23:00 - 23:03
let's start with the money amount so the
23:01 - 23:06
government explains that the defendants
23:03 - 23:09
propos securing that incredibly High
23:06 - 23:11
bond amount with various properties but
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the government argues even if that's the
23:11 - 23:16
case the brothers would still have vast
23:13 - 23:17
resources if they flee the country for
23:16 - 23:19
example while Alan listed out the
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financial information that he has
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regarding his own liquid assets what
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about those of his family also we're
23:23 - 23:28
talking a family that reportedly has $10
23:26 - 23:30
million worth of property outside of the
23:28 - 23:33
US in other words the government's
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saying these brothers could risk losing
23:33 - 23:37
all of their properties and assets if
23:35 - 23:38
they flee because they'll still have
23:37 - 23:41
enough on the other end if they could
23:38 - 23:43
just flee to another country relocate
23:41 - 23:45
and start business up again then there's
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the issue with the private security
23:45 - 23:49
condition in the bail package so a few
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things here first the government says
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there's a conflict of interest here when
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a defendant is paying for his own
23:53 - 23:57
jailers that was the same argument that
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was raised by prosecutors in the com's
23:57 - 24:01
Federal Criminal Case as well how can we
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trust the private security that is on
24:01 - 24:05
the defendant's payroll also the
24:03 - 24:07
government says that this private
24:05 - 24:09
security team they don't have the same
24:07 - 24:12
kind of resources to stop or restrain a
24:09 - 24:14
defendant when you compare the guards of
24:12 - 24:16
a jail or a Detention Center those
24:14 - 24:18
resources are much more limited it also
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doesn't help that the brothers propose
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being on house arrest in Miami which is
24:19 - 24:23
12200 mil away from the New York federal
24:21 - 24:25
court and other words that creates a
24:23 - 24:27
greater risk when transporting them
24:25 - 24:28
places an undue burden on the courts and
24:27 - 24:31
law enforcement to ensure that the
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defendants don't flee but the government
24:31 - 24:35
also made another argument that was
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brought up in the com's case too and
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this is the two- tiered system of
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justice argument in other words it's not
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right that defendants of lesser means
24:42 - 24:47
who can't afford private security are
24:45 - 24:50
detained pre-trial while those who can't
24:47 - 24:52
afford it are released it's leveraging
24:50 - 24:53
their wealth for special treatment now
24:52 - 24:55
remember what the counterargument to
24:53 - 24:57
this was this is something that was
24:55 - 24:58
argued by Shawn Colmes ultimately didn't
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work by the way to get him ba but you
24:58 - 25:02
know he had different circumstances
25:00 - 25:04
there but the argument is well we are
25:02 - 25:06
only proposing such an expensive bail
25:04 - 25:09
package and private security because the
25:06 - 25:11
government has raised issues about our
25:09 - 25:12
wealth and our resources we have to
25:11 - 25:14
present something this extreme to
25:12 - 25:16
address the specific concerns the
25:14 - 25:18
government has about us as wealthy
25:16 - 25:21
individuals the government can't use our
25:18 - 25:23
wealth as a sword and a shield so we'll
25:21 - 25:25
see if that argument is presented and
25:23 - 25:27
might be successful and finally when it
25:25 - 25:29
came to that last condition of the Bale
25:27 - 25:31
package the Alexander brother's proposal
25:29 - 25:33
to execute those waivers of extradition
25:31 - 25:35
that I mentioned the government says
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this is an empty gesture it's an empty
25:35 - 25:40
promise because we don't even know if
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those would be legally enforcable so the
25:40 - 25:44
government concludes and says quote as
25:42 - 25:46
set forth above Alan or and tal
25:44 - 25:48
Alexander pose an ongoing and
25:46 - 25:50
significant danger to the community and
25:48 - 25:51
present a serious risk of flight the
25:50 - 25:53
government respectfully submits that the
25:51 - 25:55
defendants cannot meet their burden of
25:53 - 25:57
overcoming the statutory presumption in
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favor of detention there are no
25:57 - 25:59
conditions of bail that would Ure the
25:58 - 26:01
appearance and compliance of the
25:59 - 26:03
defendants or the safety of others
26:01 - 26:06
accordingly the defendants applications
26:03 - 26:08
should be denied now before we finish up
26:06 - 26:10
I got to talk to you about this one
26:08 - 26:13
little mixup that apparently happened
26:10 - 26:16
last week when it came to bail so it was
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reported that Orin had a scheduled bail
26:16 - 26:21
Hearing in Miami Federal Court but was
26:19 - 26:23
almost accidentally flown by the US
26:21 - 26:25
Marshall service to New York yeah
26:23 - 26:28
according to reporting from the Union
26:25 - 26:30
Bulletin a US Marshall spokesperson said
26:28 - 26:32
that Orin was in a car on his way to the
26:30 - 26:35
Miami International Airport when they
26:32 - 26:37
realized their mistake that spokesperson
26:35 - 26:39
said that Orin was never on a plane and
26:37 - 26:41
never left the state but look good thing
26:39 - 26:42
they caught this mistake could have
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created a larger issue but let's see
26:42 - 26:45
where this Alexander case goes next we
26:44 - 26:48
will continue to follow it for you here
26:45 - 26:49
on sidebar but that is all we have for
26:48 - 26:51
you right now everybody thank you so
26:49 - 26:53
much for joining us and as always please
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