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are you worried that the US might walk
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away uh yes I think it's one of the uh
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options uh that US could put the whole
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burden into Europe ukraine says it has
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signed the outline of a minerals deal
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with the US and that a final deal would
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also involve an investment fund for the
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reconstruction of the country donald
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Trump's row with President Zalinsky in
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the White House you will remember blew
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negotiations off track back in back in
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February but it looks like things are
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back on track let's speak to the
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Ukrainian MP Julia Clemenco who is
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former deputy minister for the Ministry
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of Economic Development and Trade for
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Ukraine good morning to you good morning
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can you explain to us what has actually
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been signed we hear it's an outline of a
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minerals deal what does that mean
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actually uh the uh the deal u has two
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parts one is a memorandum on the
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standing what what was signed um
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yesterday uh by our vice uh minister
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sorry v uh wife vice prime minister and
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uh actually the real deal will be um
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will be the largest part uh and it will
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be it following the memorandum of
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understanding so the uh memorandum
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understanding it's just um uh first
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small step uh to start uh dealing and
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start uh drafting the uh main agreement
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uh which could uh which should cover a
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political part and economic part
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investment part so you say to start to
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draft that deal so that that hasn't been
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agreed yet no it's not agreed it's a
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very complicated because it should be
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ratified by both Ukrainian parliament
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Narada and also Congress of US so it
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will be not an easy task to draft the
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proper agreement and to be ratified
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without no um uh concerns from both
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parliaments and from a Ukrainian
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perspective what is it that Ukraine is
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willing to essentially give to the US
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and what are they wanting in return
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actually Ukraine needs much uh uh to a
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lot of investments a lot of investments
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for recovery for rebuilding and also a
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lot of investments as to um uh to run
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and uh um economy because uh we uh lost
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I think approximately 20% of uh uh
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territory but we also lost 20% of our
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industrial capacity on the eastern and
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southern part of Ukraine we had a big
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and large the probably the largest part
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of industrial uh plants and industrial
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uh companies and now it's destroyed um
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and um uh actually what we are looking
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for we are looking for investments from
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not only from US also from UK from
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Europe uh to um to put it into our
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economy to minerals to critical minerals
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to the infrastructure to the railways to
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the port infrastructure and many other
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things so um we are looking first of all
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for investments we are looking also from
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the political part uh for the security
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guarantees we do we do need to
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understand how we
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will will have a lasting peace so for
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that we need security guarantees as well
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as we need to clear understanding that
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it will be not just um uh so to say um
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um uh just just digging our minerals but
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we also need uh uh jobs uh created in
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Ukraine so all our people can come back
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all our refugees over 7 million people
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uh in Europe and in UK and US um can get
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back home and have job and have uh home
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actually and is this deal widely
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supported amongst Ukrainian society i
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know it's difficult to ask every single
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person but generally are people happy
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that this deal is being signed they
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think it's a fair deal
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i think uh we uh we don't have the final
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text of the deal that's the main concern
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uh so I think Ukrainians are okay with a
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memorandum of understanding signed
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yesterday but uh everybody would like to
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see and understand what will be inside
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the final deal or investment fund and uh
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so to say political deal uh we have to
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understand it and before people will see
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and analyze this text and this agreement
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I don't think you can get the answer um
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Ukrainians happy or not ukrainians
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definitely happy with investments will
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be happy with investments growing
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economy and jobs that's our priority and
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do you feel that there has been a
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repairing of the relationship between
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Donald Trump and President Zilinsky when
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we cast our mind back to the Oval Office
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meeting in February clearly a really
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fracturous meeting do you feel that
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relationship's been repaired and do you
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feel that by signing this deal it means
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the US will put greater pressure on
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Putin to to to make concessions
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i think we uh it's a halfway uh I don't
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think the relations fully repaired uh
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still uh uh President Trump and Zilinski
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trying to I mean um uh how to say to
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comment each other but um I think it's a
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halfway of uh of of um repair relations
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between nations between US and Ukraine
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we had very good relations for many
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years and we don't we shouldn't lose it
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um so actually uh I think it will open a
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door uh to more constructive discussion
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with the US particularly in I think on a
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security side on a buying weapon etc etc
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um but um I think the more pressure for
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Russia it's just a parallel track
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unfortunately and we don't see it yet uh
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but we should see because Putin
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definitely doesn't want peace you see uh
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every day we have killed civilian
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He is doing it very cynically and he is
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killing people killing kids and civilian
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people every day so no ceasefire no um
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any kind of uh um I mean war uh stopping
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ending from Putin's side unfortunately
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can I just ask you the US Secretary of
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State Marco Rubio has just said in the
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last few minutes that the US will stop
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trying to broker a peace deal between UK
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uh between Ukraine excuse me and Russia
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unless there are clear signs of progress
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what's your reaction to that my reaction
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is that we want to see progress from
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Putin's side we stop from our side will
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stop uh all strikes on energy
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infrastructure of Russia as we agreed
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but do you worry that the US might walk
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away uh yes I think it's one of the uh
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options uh that US could put the whole
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burden into Europe and European
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continent it's one I think of the risks
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that we can have uh in in in future
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because uh clearly there is not a a
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clear and quick perspective of a peace
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deal from Russia's side and I think
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everybody understand it understood it in
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in a in a past few months julia thank
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you for speaking to us this morning i'm
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grateful chief for your time that's
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Julia Clemenco who is a Ukrainian MP and
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former deputy minister for the Ministry
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of Economic Development the US Secretary
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of State Marco Rubio saying in the last
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few minutes hinting at really that the
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US is prepared to walk away from the
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peace talks between Ukraine and Russia
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if there is a feeling that a deal cannot
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be struck hearing there immediately
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Ukrainian reaction saying it would be
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really worrying if the US walked away
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and it was left just to Europe to try
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and broker that peace deal we'll
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continue to get reaction to that
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throughout the course of the program i
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think it's important to remind everybody
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that the Ukraine war is a terrible thing
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but it's not our war we didn't start it
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the United States has been helping
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Ukraine over the last three years and we
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want it to end and so we've talked about
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outlines of both sides i thought we had
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positive meetings yesterday obviously
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the Ukrainians have to go back home they
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have to run it by their president they
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have to take into account you know their
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views on all of this and we hope to hear
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back from them very soon this is
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important but there are a lot of other
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really important things going on that
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deserve just as much if not more
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attention we're talking about here is
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avoiding thousands and thousands of
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people from dying over the next year
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we're trying to avoid that so if they're
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serious about peace either side or both
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we want to help if it's not going to
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happen then we're just going to move on
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there you go