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and my source tonight is the Secretary
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of State who was in that room today
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Marco Rubio thank you so much secretary
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Rubio for being here we just heard from
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from president zilinsky he said he does
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not think that he owes president Trump
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an apology for what happened inside the
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oval office today do you feel otherwise
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I do I do because you guys don't see you
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guys only saw the end you saw what
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happened today you don't see all the
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things that led up to this so let me
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explain the president's been very clear
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he campaigned on this he thinks this war
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should have never started he believes
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and I agree that had he been president
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it never would have happened now here we
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are he's trying to bring an end to this
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conflict we've explained very clearly
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what our plan is here which is we want
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to get the Russians to a negotiating
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table we want to explore whether peace
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is possible they understand this they
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also understand that this uh agreement
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that was supposed to be signed today was
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supposed to be an agreement that binds
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America economically to Ukraine which to
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me as I've explained I think the
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president alluded to today is a security
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guarantee in its own way cuz we're
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involved it's not us it's our interests
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that was all explained that was all
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understood and nonetheless for the last
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10 days in every engagement we've had
01:05 - 01:08
with the ukrainians there's been
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complications in getting that point
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across including the public statements
01:10 - 01:14
that president zilinsky has made but
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they insisted on coming to DC this
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agreement could have been signed five
01:15 - 01:19
days ago but they insisted on coming to
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Washington and there was a very and
01:19 - 01:22
should have been a very clear
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understanding don't come here and and
01:22 - 01:25
and create a s scenario where you're
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going to start lecturing us about how
01:25 - 01:29
diplomacy isn't going to work Z
01:27 - 01:30
president zalinski took it in that
01:29 - 01:32
direction and and it ended in a
01:30 - 01:34
predictable outcome as a result it's
01:32 - 01:36
unfortunate that wasn't supposed to be
01:34 - 01:38
this way but that's the path he chose
01:36 - 01:40
and I think frankly you know sends his
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his country backwards in regards to
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achieving peace which is what president
01:42 - 01:46
Trump wants at the end of the day is for
01:44 - 01:48
this war to end he's been as consistent
01:46 - 01:51
as anyone can be about what his
01:48 - 01:53
objective is here but what specifically
01:51 - 01:56
do you want to see President zalinski
01:53 - 01:58
apologize for well apologize for turning
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this thing into the Fiasco for him that
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it became there was no need for him to
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go in there and become antagonistic look
02:02 - 02:05
this thing went off the rails you were
02:03 - 02:06
there I believe it went off the rails
02:05 - 02:07
when he said let me ask you a question
02:06 - 02:09
to the vice president what kind of
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diplomacy are you talking about well
02:09 - 02:12
these this is a serious thing I mean
02:11 - 02:14
thousands of people have been killed
02:12 - 02:16
thousands and he talks about all these
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horrible things that have happened to
02:16 - 02:20
prisoners of war and children all true
02:18 - 02:21
all bad this is what we're dealing with
02:20 - 02:23
here it needs to come to an end we are
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trying to bring it to an end the way you
02:23 - 02:28
bring it to an end is you get Russia to
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the table to talk and he understands
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that attacking Putin no matter how
02:30 - 02:34
anyone may feel about him personally
02:32 - 02:35
forcing the president into a position
02:34 - 02:37
where you're trying to Goat him into
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attacking Putin calling him names
02:37 - 02:41
maximalist demands about Russia having
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to pay for the Reconstruction all the
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sorts of things that you talk about in a
02:43 - 02:46
negotiation well when you start talking
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about that aggressively and the
02:46 - 02:50
president's a dealmaker he's made deals
02:48 - 02:52
his entire life you're not going to get
02:50 - 02:54
people to the table and so you start to
02:52 - 02:56
perceive that maybe zelinsky doesn't
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want a peace deal he says he does but
02:56 - 03:01
maybe he doesn't and that active open
02:59 - 03:02
undermining of efforts to bring about
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peace is deeply frustrating for everyone
03:02 - 03:07
who's been involved in Communications
03:04 - 03:08
with them leading up to today and I
03:07 - 03:10
think should apologize for wasting our
03:08 - 03:11
time for a meeting that was going to end
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did you yourself have said previously
03:14 - 03:18
that Putin cannot be trusted in
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negotiations that was the point that
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that president zilinsky was ultimately
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making during that conversation is that
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there cannot be an agreement without
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security guarantees because he was
03:25 - 03:28
talking about all the ceasefire
03:26 - 03:30
agreements before or agreements that
03:28 - 03:31
Putin has just blown past
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I mean do you still feel that way that
03:31 - 03:35
Putin cannot be trusted in these
03:33 - 03:36
negotiations well I was there yesterday
03:35 - 03:37
when the president said in front of the
03:36 - 03:39
media that our approach is going to be
03:37 - 03:41
trust but verify you Donald Trump has
03:39 - 03:43
made president Trump's made deals his
03:41 - 03:44
entire life he's not going to get
03:43 - 03:47
suckered into some deal that's not a
03:44 - 03:48
real deal we all understand this we
03:47 - 03:51
understand it on our end for certain and
03:48 - 03:52
so the goal here is to get to a place we
03:51 - 03:54
have to explore whether peace is
03:52 - 03:56
possible I've said this repeatedly I
03:54 - 03:58
don't know I think it is based on what
03:56 - 03:59
they've said so far but we have to
03:58 - 04:01
explore that how else is this war going
03:59 - 04:04
to end I ask people what is the European
04:01 - 04:05
plan to end this war I can tell you what
04:04 - 04:06
one foreign minister told me and I'm not
04:05 - 04:08
going to say who it was but I can tell
04:06 - 04:10
you what one of them told me and that is
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that the war goes on for another year
04:10 - 04:14
and at that point Russia will feel so
04:12 - 04:15
weakened that they'll beg for a peace
04:14 - 04:17
that's another year of killing another
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year of dying another year of
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Destruction and by the way not a very
04:19 - 04:23
realistic plan in my point of view so if
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there's a chance at peace even if it's a
04:23 - 04:27
1% chance that needs to be explored and
04:25 - 04:29
that's what president Trump is trying to
04:27 - 04:30
do here president Trump said just when
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he was was leaving the White House after
04:30 - 04:34
that meeting that he doesn't think
04:31 - 04:35
president zalinsky wants peace but isn't
04:34 - 04:37
that why the Ukrainian leader was in the
04:35 - 04:39
Oval Office for that meeting today well
04:37 - 04:40
he was in the Oval Office to sign a
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minerals rights deal that's what he was
04:40 - 04:44
in the Oval Office to sign today but
04:42 - 04:45
again when you have comments that
04:44 - 04:47
deliberately appear to be deliberately I
04:45 - 04:49
mean after having discussed this
04:47 - 04:51
repeatedly deliberately appear to be
04:49 - 04:53
geared towards making the argument that
04:51 - 04:55
peace is not possible you know again I
04:53 - 04:57
turned to the he turns to the vice
04:55 - 04:58
president what kind of diplomacy are you
04:57 - 05:00
talking about almost as if to say these
04:58 - 05:02
people you can't deal with them we can't
05:00 - 05:04
be you can't have any negotiations with
05:02 - 05:05
Putin because he can't be trusted and
05:04 - 05:07
you're just wasting your time on
05:05 - 05:09
negotiations well he's directly
05:07 - 05:11
basically undermining everything the
05:09 - 05:13
president has told him he's trying to do
05:11 - 05:15
look there's no need for that you start
05:13 - 05:16
to suspect does he really want an end of
05:15 - 05:18
this war does he just think that you
05:16 - 05:20
know we have to do whatever he says and
05:18 - 05:22
give him anything he wants without any
05:20 - 05:24
endgame that was the Biden strategy that
05:22 - 05:26
was the Biden strategy we were funding a
05:24 - 05:29
stalemate we were funding a meat grinder
05:26 - 05:30
and unfortunately for the ukrainians the
05:29 - 05:31
Russians have more meat to grind and
05:30 - 05:33
they don't care about human life we've
05:31 - 05:36
seen it human waves and North Koreans
05:33 - 05:38
Etc and so this is is a very complex
05:36 - 05:41
thing it's very delicate it's very
05:38 - 05:42
costly it's it's very bloody it needs to
05:41 - 05:44
be brought to an end but it isn't going
05:42 - 05:46
to be brought to an end with public
05:44 - 05:48
pronouncements and maximalist demands in
05:46 - 05:51
the public but in real diplomacy the
05:48 - 05:54
vice president was right when you say
05:51 - 05:55
they don't care about life you are you
05:54 - 05:57
talking about the Russians or the
05:55 - 05:59
ukrainians well the Russians I mean
05:57 - 06:00
they're conscripting by the hundreds of
05:59 - 06:02
thousands they brought in South North
06:00 - 06:03
Korean troops that were slaughtered in
06:02 - 06:05
kers and they keep going because they
06:03 - 06:07
got more people that's the other fact
06:05 - 06:09
look and it's un you know again we go
06:07 - 06:11
back to the same point I'm not going to
06:09 - 06:13
fall into this trap of the who's bad and
06:11 - 06:14
who's evil people can make those
06:13 - 06:16
conclusions people have seen how this
06:14 - 06:17
narrative has played out and where we
06:16 - 06:19
are today and how this all started and
06:17 - 06:21
so forth the point the point now is it
06:19 - 06:23
has to end and the way it ends is you
06:21 - 06:25
get people to negotiating table and the
06:23 - 06:26
president who's the ultimate dealmaker
06:25 - 06:28
knows you don't get people to a
06:26 - 06:30
negotiating table when you're calling
06:28 - 06:31
them names and you're accusing them of
06:30 - 06:33
things because at the end of the day
06:31 - 06:35
this is not a political campaign okay
06:33 - 06:37
this is high stakes International
06:35 - 06:40
diplomacy and an effort to bring about
06:37 - 06:42
an end to a very very dangerous War but
06:40 - 06:44
you yourself sir have said before that
06:42 - 06:46
that you believe Putin is a war criminal
06:44 - 06:47
that that is a widely accepted fact
06:46 - 06:49
you've called him a butcher and you've
06:47 - 06:51
said that as a secretary of state you do
06:49 - 06:53
believe it's important for someone with
06:51 - 06:55
such global global influence as you have
06:53 - 06:57
to to speak with that kind of moral
06:55 - 06:59
Clarity yeah and at this moment a
06:57 - 07:01
secretary of state my job working for
06:59 - 07:03
the president is to deliver peace to end
07:01 - 07:05
this conflict and end this war
07:03 - 07:06
ultimately that is the job of the state
07:05 - 07:08
department the state department doesn't
07:06 - 07:09
fight Wars it ends them it tries to end
07:08 - 07:11
them and that's usually by the way
07:09 - 07:12
celebrated I mean I mean throughout
07:11 - 07:14
history I've watched presidents that
07:12 - 07:16
bring about an end to Wars and conflicts
07:14 - 07:18
and people celebrate that they applaud
07:16 - 07:19
it I think we should be very proud and
07:18 - 07:21
happy that we have a president whose
07:19 - 07:23
Prime objective is not to get into Wars
07:21 - 07:26
but to prevent Wars and to get out of
07:23 - 07:28
wars that is a very Noble laudable goal
07:26 - 07:30
everyone should be applauding it and he
07:28 - 07:32
should be given the space to to do that
07:30 - 07:34
not undermined by demands that he call
07:32 - 07:37
Putin names or that we we say things
07:34 - 07:38
that impede the ability to conduct real
07:37 - 07:41
diplomacy as the vice president said
07:38 - 07:42
today to follow up on on what you just
07:41 - 07:44
said a moment ago are you saying that
07:42 - 07:47
you you have doubts that president
07:44 - 07:50
zalinsky wants this war to come to an
07:47 - 07:51
end what I have doubts about is whether
07:50 - 07:53
he's willing to say and do the things
07:51 - 07:55
that we need in order to get a
07:53 - 07:57
negotiation again you got this has been
07:55 - 07:58
going on for 10 days and you know to see
07:57 - 07:59
things in the Press saying we're not
07:58 - 08:02
coordinating with the Ukrainian that's
07:59 - 08:03
absolutely false over the last 10 days
08:02 - 08:05
the ukrainians have met with the
08:03 - 08:06
secretary of Commerce the Secretary of
08:05 - 08:08
State the vice president of the United
08:06 - 08:10
States had a phone call with President
08:08 - 08:12
Trump and he was in the Oval Office
08:10 - 08:14
today I've talked to the foreign
08:12 - 08:16
minister of Ukraine three times in the
08:14 - 08:18
last 10 days the the argument that we're
08:16 - 08:19
not engaging but yet you keep reading
08:18 - 08:20
these press accounts about oh well
08:19 - 08:22
they're leaving us out we're not
08:20 - 08:24
involved we're not engaged none of these
08:22 - 08:26
things are true and it continues so all
08:24 - 08:28
that led up to today in a deep sense of
08:26 - 08:30
frustration and my hope is that this all
08:28 - 08:32
can be reset and and maturity can kick
08:30 - 08:35
in and some pragmatism because this this
08:32 - 08:37
war tonight people will die in Ukraine
08:35 - 08:38
tonight people will die in this conflict
08:37 - 08:40
we're trying to bring an end to this
08:38 - 08:43
conflict which is unsustainable it's an
08:40 - 08:44
unsustainable bloody war that has to
08:43 - 08:47
come to an end and right now the only
08:44 - 08:49
leader in the world that can even have a
08:47 - 08:51
chance of bringing about an end to this
08:49 - 08:53
is named president Donald Trump and we
08:51 - 08:55
need to give him the opportunity to try
08:53 - 08:57
and do that and and and when you see
08:55 - 08:59
efforts to impede it when you deliberate
08:57 - 09:00
when you tell someone don't say let's
08:59 - 09:02
not talk about these things let's not go
09:00 - 09:04
in this direction cuz it makes it harder
09:02 - 09:06
for us to engage and they insist on
09:04 - 09:08
doing it anyways you start to wonder you
09:06 - 09:10
start to wonder I don't like to impune
09:08 - 09:12
people's motives but you start to wonder
09:10 - 09:14
what's behind it so look again let's
09:12 - 09:17
hope this can be salv but I'm not sure
09:14 - 09:19
after today uh you don't believe that
09:17 - 09:20
this can be you're not sure that this
09:19 - 09:22
can be Salvage I mean can this
09:20 - 09:24
relationship between zilinsky and Trump
09:22 - 09:26
be repaired in your view I think
09:24 - 09:27
anything is possible but it has to go
09:26 - 09:28
back to the point that President Trump
09:27 - 09:30
is interested to being involved in this
09:28 - 09:32
for the purpose purposes of bringing
09:30 - 09:34
about an enduring and Lasting peace
09:32 - 09:37
that's what he wants to achieve and I
09:34 - 09:38
think if I'm a country okay that's
09:37 - 09:40
involved in a war with a bigger country
09:38 - 09:42
who's losing thousands of people who's
09:40 - 09:44
had three million people leave my
09:42 - 09:45
country because they can't be there who
09:44 - 09:47
uh every you know is facing these
09:45 - 09:49
challenges I would be thanking a
09:47 - 09:50
president who's trying to help bring
09:49 - 09:52
about an end to this War I would be
09:50 - 09:53
thanking him and I would be supportive
09:52 - 09:55
of what he's trying to do at least in my
09:53 - 09:57
public pronouncements and in my public
09:55 - 09:58
posture and we didn't see that today and
09:57 - 10:01
we haven't seen that for the last few
09:58 - 10:04
days now will that change I hope so it
10:01 - 10:06
should for for the for the purposes of
10:04 - 10:08
of global peace and stability in Europe
10:06 - 10:10
and and around the world do you think
10:08 - 10:12
you can make the argument that he hasn't
10:10 - 10:13
said thank you well I think the vice
10:12 - 10:15
president said he hadn't said it today
10:13 - 10:16
he hadn't heard it today in that meeting
10:15 - 10:18
and we were hoping that that meeting
10:16 - 10:19
would begin by thank you for everything
10:18 - 10:20
you've done for us we wouldn't be where
10:19 - 10:22
we are today without you we wouldn't
10:20 - 10:24
even have a chance to negotiate a pieace
10:22 - 10:26
without the help you gave us by the way
10:24 - 10:28
without the help you gave us when you
10:26 - 10:31
were president in the first term because
10:28 - 10:33
president Obama refused to provide them
10:31 - 10:34
defensive capabilities in terms of
10:33 - 10:36
military hardware he did provide them
10:34 - 10:38
blankets he provide
10:36 - 10:40
humanitarian well but and it was brought
10:38 - 10:42
up but I was there in fact I vividly
10:40 - 10:44
recall at the time Vice President Biden
10:42 - 10:46
saying to me in a meeting that we had at
10:44 - 10:47
the vice president's resident that the
10:46 - 10:49
reason why we didn't want to provide
10:47 - 10:51
them those weapons is because they might
10:49 - 10:53
use them that was his exact quote and
10:51 - 10:55
that was the attitude I remember clearly
10:53 - 10:57
then the Ukrainian leader saying we
10:55 - 10:59
don't need more blankets or MREs we need
10:57 - 11:01
weapons to defend ourselves and didn't
10:59 - 11:03
do it president Trump did he provided
11:01 - 11:05
them Weaponry some of it much of it
11:03 - 11:07
which was used at the beginning of this
11:05 - 11:08
war and without those weapons being in
11:07 - 11:11
their stocks this war could have been
11:08 - 11:12
over very quickly two three four days
11:11 - 11:14
another pot shot that zalinski took
11:12 - 11:16
today when the president pointed that
11:14 - 11:17
out you know what zinski said he said
11:16 - 11:19
yeah yeah we've heard that from the
11:17 - 11:21
Russians that's not a Russian narrative
11:19 - 11:23
that was the official position okay of
11:21 - 11:25
the United States I vividly recall being
11:23 - 11:27
briefed by leaders in the Biden
11:25 - 11:30
Administration telling us that this war
11:27 - 11:31
was going to be over in 5 to six days
11:30 - 11:33
they believed that that was their
11:31 - 11:35
assessment at the time and it wasn't the
11:33 - 11:36
case because of the weapons that that
11:35 - 11:38
Ukraine had in its stocks because of
11:36 - 11:39
President Trump in his first term so he
11:38 - 11:41
should have been grateful for that and
11:39 - 11:42
grateful for what we're doing now and
11:41 - 11:44
one more point it's not just president
11:42 - 11:46
Trump there's act there's news reports
11:44 - 11:48
out there from NBC News at least is one
11:46 - 11:50
of the place I recall reporting that
11:48 - 11:52
Biden had a shouting match with zalinski
11:50 - 11:53
for not being grateful and not being
11:52 - 11:55
thankful for everything that was
11:53 - 11:57
provided back in 2022 now that didn't
11:55 - 11:59
happen in front of the press that was
11:57 - 12:01
leaked but it got out there it's these
11:59 - 12:03
frustrations are not unique to president
12:01 - 12:05
Trump there was those frustrations in
12:03 - 12:07
the previous administration if NBC News
12:05 - 12:08
is to be believed but but but obviously
12:07 - 12:10
we've never seen anything like what we
12:08 - 12:11
saw today but but the point that that
12:10 - 12:14
zalinski was making there is that
12:11 - 12:17
everyone predicted his demise and
12:14 - 12:18
Ukraine was able to fight and to to
12:17 - 12:20
survive zalinski was able to survive the
12:18 - 12:22
Ukrainian people have been fighting for
12:20 - 12:23
three years you yourself have said
12:22 - 12:25
previously that that the United States
12:23 - 12:27
should assist Ukraine as long as the
12:25 - 12:29
ukrainians are willing to fight so I
12:27 - 12:31
think the question coming out of that
12:29 - 12:34
meeting I is what happens next year I
12:31 - 12:36
mean you are the US Chief Diplomat is
12:34 - 12:39
there a path for diplomacy is a
12:36 - 12:41
ceasefire still a possibility tonight
12:39 - 12:42
well number one uh you know who else
12:41 - 12:44
said that Ukraine is very brave and very
12:42 - 12:46
Valiant president Trump he said it today
12:44 - 12:48
he said it repeatedly your soldiers have
12:46 - 12:49
been very brave your Fighters have been
12:48 - 12:51
very brave your people have been very
12:49 - 12:53
brave he said that repeatedly and
12:51 - 12:55
everyone recognizes that but we're three
12:53 - 12:58
years into a war that has no end in
12:55 - 13:00
sight and no EIC strategy the EU doesn't
12:58 - 13:02
have an exit strategy I saw the comments
13:00 - 13:03
tonight from the leader of the EU saying
13:02 - 13:05
that it needs a new leader of the of the
13:03 - 13:07
of the Free World I mean these people
13:05 - 13:09
are just playing silly games and saying
13:07 - 13:11
these things what is their exit strategy
13:09 - 13:13
what is anybody else's exit strategy the
13:11 - 13:14
only person on the planet who is
13:13 - 13:16
actively trying to bring an end to this
13:14 - 13:17
conflict is named Donald Trump the
13:16 - 13:19
president of the United States he's the
13:17 - 13:21
only one that's trying to do it and we
13:19 - 13:23
should be helping him to achieve it and
13:21 - 13:24
so do I think it's possible yeah I hope
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it's possible because that's what we do
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try to do at the Department of State is
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we try to bring end to conflicts not
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start new ones and certainly not extend
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them Senator Lindsey Graham after having
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lunch with President Trump today said
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zinsky either needs to resign or they
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need to send someone over that we can do
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business with do you feel that President
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zalinsky needs to resign well that's
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Lindsay's feeling because he feels very
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passionately you know he's been a very
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strong supporter of Ukraine Lindsey
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Graham has been one of the strongest
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voices for Ukraine well United States
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the president's taken no position on
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that what he said today is let him come
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back when he's ready to do peace that's
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what he said let him come back when he's
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ready to do peace so I can't speak for
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what anybody else said I can only go off
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the words from the president of the
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United States and that is today we're
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not this is not going to be productive
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any further when zalinski is ready to
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make peace and he's serious about peace
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let him come back then and that's when
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we'll re-engage with them and what he
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means by that is when he understands
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that well I think it's everything I've
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said already and that is how are you
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going to get Vladimir Putin and the
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Russian Federation to a table to discuss
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even the opportunity whether there even
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to explore whether there's an
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opportunity for peace you're not going
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to do it by calling them names it makes
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everybody feel very good you can pass
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resolutions you can put out very
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strongly worded statements Senators can
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do it I did when I was in the Senate
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house members can do it commentators can
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do it and countries that have no real
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skin in the game can do it but when you
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are the president of the United States
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of America and you're trying to bring
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about peace the way Donald Trump is
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trying to bring about peace the only way
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to do it is you have to create space for
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people to come to the table and talk and
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that is something we should all be
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applauding not criticizing and and and
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not pretending that we can just extend
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this war forever until uh with W with
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and that everybody has unlimited
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resources to continue to fund it on both
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sides by the way and president zilinsky
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has said he does want this war to end he
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just cares about How It Ends we heard
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that from the other European leaders who
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came to the Oval Office also this week
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president Trump said to to me today
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before that shouting match erupted in
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the Oval Office that he doesn't believe
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there have to be security guarantees in
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place before the ceasefire that you can
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come to a ceasefire agreement and then
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put those in place do you agree with
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that that's not what he said what he
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said is why am I going to be talking
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about security guarantees let me get a
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peace deal first is what he said that
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doesn't mean they can't happen as part
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of that negotiation but you have to have
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an agreement to what is there what peace
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is there to secure if you first don't
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have an agreement on peace like what
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what do the Russians need in order to
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end this conflict you're saying happen
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as part of the negotiations well again
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how do you end a war you have to find
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out what the combatants require in order
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to stop shooting at each other what are
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the Russians needs what do they need to
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see in order for them to stop fighting
15:59 - 16:03
what do the ukrainians need in order to
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stop fighting and then once you have
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that in place then you can decide The
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Next Step which is and what do we need
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to do to make sure this never happens
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again that it doesn't happen in two
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years three years five years I don't
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think president Trump is interested in a
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one-year uh ceasefire I I don't think
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he's interested in the six month ceas
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fire he wants the thing to end he has
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said that repeatedly but again he's not
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going to use the kind of language that
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maybe plays well in the public sphere or
16:25 - 16:28
in the political Sphere for people that
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want to take shots at him but it's not
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going to allow us to have a negotiation
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or even to explore a potential
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negotiation president Donald Trump is a
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man who's made deals his entire life in
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business and he's bringing those
16:38 - 16:41
principles to government and he's the
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only one in the world that has any
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chance if Donald Trump tomorrow decides
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I don't care about Ukraine I don't care
16:44 - 16:48
about Russia and I don't care about this
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war and he walks away I ask you I ask
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everyone well who on this planet has any
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chance whatsoever even a 1% chance of
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getting the combatants to the table the
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answer is there is no one he is the only
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one on Earth right now that has any
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chance if there is a chance at peace
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he's the only one that has a chance to
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deliver on it do you still see a meeting
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happening with President Putin there
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president zinsky and president Trump is
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that still possible well I think that's
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premature I mean what would they you you
17:13 - 17:16
first need to make sure that this is
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even a possibility and you have to
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explore it and look there's good signs I
17:18 - 17:22
think maybe you know somewhat about at
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least the Russians willingness to engage
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and uh but we have to explore all that
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but that's not going to be done in front
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of cameras it's not going to be done in
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an open ballroom there's a lot of work
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to be done before we get to this point
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this is a complex war that has causes
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behind it that go back a number of years
17:35 - 17:38
there's a lot to navigate a lot has been
17:36 - 17:40
invested on both sides uh gains have
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been made by the Russian Federation in
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some places all of these things have to
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be worked through but it's not going to
17:44 - 17:47
be done through press conferences and in
17:45 - 17:49
the media it has to be done through what
17:47 - 17:51
the vice president said today the
17:49 - 17:53
serious work of diplomacy it's you know
17:51 - 17:55
what it's a lot easier to just say well
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we're with Ukraine all the way no matter
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what however long it takes well 15 years
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12 years I mean that's absurd that's not
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sustainable and everybody knows it the
18:02 - 18:05
president wants to end this war he wants
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to explore whether there's a possibility
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to do it and do it quickly he campaigned
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on it it was a promise of his and he
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intends to come when he says these
18:11 - 18:14
things he doesn't just say them he means
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them and he's doing it and it's the
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first time we've seen that in a long
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time in American politics secretary
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Marco Rubio thank you for your time
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tonight and joining us on such a
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historic day I really do appreciate your
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time thank you
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